Mga Cebuano proud ba ni Winston Garcia?

[ong76win2]

Investors and businessmen are looking closely at what is happening to Meralco. They think government is trying to take control of it. Winston should not just go after Meralco, but all power producers and distributors. I think he has an hidden agenda.

[rynzco]

ohhhhhh, this is another conspiracy huh.....
and yes i agree with ong76win2 that perhaps winston has an inky intention

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by tinsi @ giddyboy a big ennnngk to you too because on this one you are very wrong. "THE National Association of Electricity Consumers for Reforms, Inc. (Nasecore) asked the Commission on Audit (COA) to implement the order of the Energy Regulatory Commission (ERC) to audit records of Manila Electric Co (Meralco) on the basis of Supreme Court decisions ordering it to refund P30 billion to its customers. " - Malaya - May 27, 2008. A similar news report appeared in the Inquirer and in Business world

pls excuse me for the buzzer type response. it so happened that while i was formulating a response to ur argument, i was watching a TV gameshow...
anyways, i stand corrected on the COA thingy. i was thinking of the normal day to day operations of COA, and not something about a SC decision ordering COA to audit Meralco due to the nature of the case. Because whenever there is a problem on jurisdiction of COA powers, it will be debated upon in the courts. Now as u say, ERC has gotten approval from the SC to order COA to audit Meralco, well, thanks for the info.

Normally, in a private business like a corporation, u only hire a CPA or a licensed auditing firm to check and certify that ur acctg records are truthful. Then w/ that certification included, u submit it together w/ ur financial statements to BIR in paying ur taxes due.

But because the issue of Meralco overpricing and refund involves the general public, that's how i see it that COA could have an open jurisdiction to audit BUT ONLY for the matter concerning the refund as stated in the SC order, and nothing else.

Quote: Originally Posted by tinsi And if you can please recheck my post I did not say that Mr. Garcia planned on managing Meralco in a personal capacity. I said he wanted to wrest control of Meralco which is what he wanted to do when he wanted a shareholders vote that would grant the GSIS majority control of the company. So Mr. Giddy boy quit the ennnngk talk and lets stick to keeping a healthy , intelligent discussion going around.

then why are u bringing up Winston's credential like his RESUME? wouldn't that mean that u r implying Winston's personal capacity to manage Meralco? klaroha daan imong gisulti ky bsan kinsa pa cguro ang ingnon, malain gyud ug sabot.

So mr. or ms. tinsi, even if i use the ennngk talk, doesn't mean i am not giving a healthy, intelligent discussion here. that's part of debating arguments. Playfully as it me be, it would depend on how u would rebutt my arguments like what u just did...my facts were rebuked by yours and vice versa. And what is the point of all these? a more clearer understanding of facts to form a justifiable opinion on matters. besides, we are only human...peace.

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide you are right that his jurisdiction is only limited to meralco, but why blame only meralco? meralco may have management issues but if you are the accuser wouldnt it be prudent to know exactly what contributes to the high prices of power? while he cannot investigate, he can always take up the problematic factors to his boss, the president.

actually, he is not only blaming Meralco. he can blame also Napocor and even the Epira law. but ang apan, his jurisdiction is limited ra sa Meralco. He is not a senator, nor a congressman to tackle those.

And Meralco doesn't only have management issues, but they have power rate issues also. Meralco charges 10 per kwh as compared to Veco's 6.15 per kwh. now if u r a Manila consumer, di kha ka mka pangutana ngano dako kaau ang diperencya nga almost pareho ra man ug power source ang duha?

And as already stated, they already pinpointed the causes. Meralco has higher systems loss charges than Veco or any other power distributors in the country. Secondly, they also have higher Distribution revenue charges as compared to Veco or any other power distributors in the country.

mao btaw ky nagmagahi ang Meralco to GSIS's justifiable demands, the last resort would be a change in Meralco leadership via votation. now, unsa may nahitabo karon? ni-offer na ug cooperation ang Lopezes to bring rates down...see? if it didn't arrive at that delicate situation, do u think the Lopezes would offer cooperation? i don't think so.

ug ngano mo take up the matters pa man to his boss, PGMA, nga he has the position to do that? it is his job, not the president.

[ong76win2]

We all have our own opinions regarding this issue. What we don't know are the true intentions of the people involve in this issue. I respect all your opinions here. We have to be open minded and hear both side of this issue.

[worldwide]

Quote: Originally Posted by ong76win2 We all have our own opinions regarding this issue. What we don't know are the true intentions of the people involve in this issue. I respect all your opinions here. We have to be open minded and hear both side of this issue.

agree. just an observation though. some of us here believes that they know more or have a better grasp of the issue than the others, that they tend to correct or shot down the ideas of others. while it is healthy to share ideas, outrightly blasting another idea is sick unless you are totally sure that the facts stated are accurate and you are an expert on the issue. little knowledge can be dangerous.

on topic:

Mga cebuano proud ba ni Winston Garcia?
I think it can be answered by a yes or no, proud, dili or neutral.

[tinsi]

Quote: Originally Posted by giddyboy then why are u bringing up Winston's credential like his RESUME? wouldn't that mean that u r implying Winston's personal capacity to manage Meralco? klaroha daan imong gisulti ky bsan kinsa pa cguro ang ingnon, malain gyud ug sabot.

My bringing up the issue of Mr. Garcia's resume is still connected to his intentions of wresting control and consequently evaluating another group to run it for and in his behalf. Anyway relevance regarding power industry in his resume' will allow us to opine if he has the competencies to make the right choice. Unsaon man pag opine kung ikaw mismo you don't know what your are looking for?

[dawlim]

for me not proud shame kaayo

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide agree. just an observation though. some of us here believes that they know more or have a better grasp of the issue than the others, that they tend to correct or shot down the ideas of others. while it is healthy to share ideas, outrightly blasting another idea is sick unless you are totally sure that the facts stated are accurate and you are an expert on the issue. little knowledge can be dangerous.

OT:
that's why it is called a forum....some believe that they know more about the issues that's why they wanted to be heard. debates on arguments & opinions is natural for a forum. shooting down & correcting arguments is also part of a forum.

and mind u, opinions here could be from a mix of speculations, hearsays & facts. there's nothing u can do about it. you might call it "sickly outright blasting", but we just simply call it "debate". And because this is a virtual forum, we don't have to take them personally. What is a healthy discussion or debate? Those that don't lead to Ad Hominems but more on understanding an issue clearer. Be it a hot debate or humor-filled one, as long as it serves the same purpose.

can anybody in a virtual forum w/ little knowledge on issues be dangerous? Knowledgaeable or not, everybody is welcome here. Even kids.

as long as we follow forum rules, we are OK...

AND quite frankly, ur post is even an Ad Hominem. u r criticizing about some of the forumers, and not the topic at hand...see?

Now, if this topic is all about "if u r proud of Winston or not", doesn't mean "yes" or "no" ra imong i-post. dili man ni survey ra. Forum man pud ni...and making rebuttals on arguments doesn't mean u r disrespecting the person posting it...

[xxkatgorgeousxx]

kalma lang ti dinhi mga bro..walai initay ug ulo..

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by tinsi My bringing up the issue of Mr. Garcia's resume is still connected to his intentions of wresting control and consequently evaluating another group to run it for and in his behalf. Anyway relevance regarding power industry in his resume' will allow us to opine if he has the competencies to make the right choice. Unsaon man pag opine kung ikaw mismo you don't know what your are looking for?

Ok, OK, so we are clear na sa part nga wa ta ngkasinabot. Ur bringing up the resume issue is not for Winston to personally takeover management as Meralco president but his qualifications to wrest control and evaluating another person or group to run it.

now, let us say looking at his resume, he has every qualifications deemed to meet the standards of a GSIS president.

Now taking the fact that GSIS holds a major share sa Meralco. So what u mean that having no background on power distribution industry pasabot na ana is dili cya qualified to represent GSIS in making demands to Meralco?

mao nang niingon ko, "unsa may labot sa resume ni Winston regarding Meralco? if we say naa, asa man dapit? Correct me if im wrong, but my humble answer: his being one of the board members representing GSIS. that's his qualification.

and i think this is what makes him competent to make demands just like the Lopezes and other members of the board could. In fact, they (board) are all competent to make the right choice. mao btaw gihimo clang board members. And it's not to dictate his choice, but to offer his choice for every shareholder to agree or not to agree.

did u get my point?

we myt ask, ok, does his criticizing the questionable high power rates of Meralco a right choice? i believe it is. kinsa guy di ganahan mo ubos ang rates.

does his questioning the way the Lopezes handling of Meralco affairs a right choice? well, he has every right to do that.

so asa man dapit ang pgpaka uwaw niya? just because he is perceived as an "attack dog" of Malacanang? that's it? IMHO, lihay man ni sa "real" issues.

just because he is perceived to being used in the "supposedly" continuing Arroyo-Lopez feud being hyped up by media just lately, nya motuo na mo ana? who knows, currently, i see it as a HOAX ra man. saunang panahon nuon sa ilaha grandparents motuo ko. but anyway, another "lihay" na pud ni sa "real" issues.

or shall we say, just because he showed up sa stockholders meeting mustering all his convictions here and there, leaving the Lopezes wide-eyed and holding more their ground, paka uwaw na na? were his arguments non-sense? if then, asa dapit?

as for me, mas paka uwaw cya hinuon kung mag hilom2x cya. think about it...

[fire starter]

Sus Garcia ang nawng kwarta nag paka uwaw lang sa manga cebuano.boaya kaayo ug nawng didto sa assembly...

mag apil2x siya sa meralco when in fact ang GSIS wa man gani klaro. there are a lot of government pensioners and retirees nga wa pa kadawat o dugay kaayo madawat ang benifits.

[baby_grace]

In fairness to Atty. Winston Garcia, he is a good match against the equally arrogant Lopezes who control Meralco as if there are no other shareholders who have rights in the corporation. Garcia represents GSIS which is one of the biggest shareholders of the power. It is not his interest that is being protected by his strong actions. It is the interest of the consumers who are affected by the unconscionable rate adjustments made by Meralco. As a shareholder, GSIS through Mr. Garcia has the right to make demands. If changing the management could lead to creating more humane policies within Meralco, then the Lopezes should be open to that idea instead or outrightly resisting by asserting their control and their name. Were it not for the loud noise made by Garcia in pressuring Meralco officials, consumers would not know about the overcharging made by power firms, loopholes in the energy laws will not be seen, and measures to lower electricity rates will not be discussed.

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by baby_grace In fairness to Atty. Winston Garcia, he is a good match against the equally arrogant Lopezes who control Meralco as if there are no other shareholders who have rights in the corporation. Garcia represents GSIS which is one of the biggest shareholders of the power. It is not his interest that is being protected by his strong actions. It is the interest of the consumers who are affected by the unconscionable rate adjustments made by Meralco. As a shareholder, GSIS through Mr. Garcia has the right to make demands. If changing the management could lead to creating more humane policies within Meralco, then the Lopezes should be open to that idea instead or outrightly resisting by asserting their control and their name. Were it not for the loud noise made by Garcia in pressuring Meralco officials, consumers would not know about the overcharging made by power firms, loopholes in the energy laws will not be seen, and measures to lower electricity rates will not be discussed.

haaay salamat. naay nitabang nako ug explain. u hit the nail ryt!

[worldwide]

Quote: Originally Posted by giddyboy OT: that's why it is called a forum....some believe that they know more about the issues that's why they wanted to be heard. debates on arguments & opinions is natural for a forum. shooting down & correcting arguments is also part of a forum. and mind u, opinions here could be from a mix of speculations, hearsays & facts. there's nothing u can do about it. you might call it "sickly outright blasting", but we just simply call it "debate". And because this is a virtual forum, we don't have to take them personally. What is a healthy discussion or debate? Those that don't lead to Ad Hominems but more on understanding an issue clearer. Be it a hot debate or humor-filled one, as long as it serves the same purpose. can anybody in a virtual forum w/ little knowledge on issues be dangerous? Knowledgaeable or not, everybody is welcome here. Even kids. as long as we follow forum rules, we are OK... AND quite frankly, ur post is even an Ad Hominem. u r criticizing about some of the forumers, and not the topic at hand...see? Now, if this topic is all about "if u r proud of Winston or not", doesn't mean "yes" or "no" ra imong i-post. dili man ni survey ra. Forum man pud ni...and making rebuttals on arguments doesn't mean u r disrespecting the person posting it...

Off T:
your voice or anyone's voice can be heard in this forum but give due respect to the voice of other people by not shooting down their opinions as if you are always right. ikaw, if people tell you ennngk, does it show respect to you? now, isn't that ad hominem? you can share your intelligent opinions without having to resort to that kind of language. be sensitive sad kay if even you are just being funny, nobody can see your smiling face.

mind you, if it was my intention to be sarcastic to you or anyone else, i could have quoted your post. it is merely suggestion and observation so that posters do not feel degraded and raising the blood pressure of some can be avoided.

On T:
I think as of now, poll result shows that cebuanos are not proud of WG.
i hope more istoryans will join the poll.