Mga Cebuano proud ba ni Winston Garcia?

[worldwide]

Quote: Originally Posted by godwhacker Bro wether he is acting for the Arroyos or not so long as he can reduce the power rate per his promise, well and good. Di nato kaayo dib dibon ang politics kay after all ang importante man nga mominos ang bayranan sa atong montly bill. I don't care about their powerplay diha bro. Bahala sila ug mangalata sila pero ako maoy naka pabor kay ang ako ra gusto nga mogamay akong bayranan sa kuryente. Let them devour it's other kay inig kahuman ari man ang pabor nako as a consumer.

I too want my power rates to go down but i really think the problem doesn't begins with Meralco, we should be digging for the root cause of all this. There are other factors that contribute to high prices of electricity.

Winston can bark at the others trees who in one way or another affects the price of power.

[godwhacker]

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide Bro, i hope you don't underestimate the appreciation of the situation by other istoryans. Their opinion may differ to yours but that doesn't mean they don't have a good grasp of what is really happening. re positioning in the corporate world, a takeover does not always guarantee that it would benefit the customers. besides, the government is not known be good in running a business especially power generation/distribution, the people always end up subsidizing the inefficiencies of the government, ex: napocor.

Peace Bro. I didn't mean to undermine other people's ideas. And you are right. It may not give us guarantees from the consumer point of view but the blatant disregard of law that Meralco displayed by not carrying out the Supreme Court decision is a sign that under them you cannot expect the rates to go down. Mokanaug lang siguro kay karon naa na gubot na but molinaw na gani business as usual. Back to the merry old ways. So hamay maayo ug sulayan kuno ning gipanghambug ni Winston. For me wa koy emotional feelings bisag asa ana nilang duha. Ang ako nga mogamay akong bayad sa kuryente.

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by tinsi I am not in favor of GSIS wresting control of MERALCO. The power business itself requires the experience in running certain critical parts of it. What in Garcia's resume' qualifies him to take over the management? If certain individuals think that there is overpricing in MERALCO's charges to its customers than COA should go ahead and audit MERALCO's passed on costs as the ERC ordered.

ennngk!!! wrong. Garcia's action doesn't mean he will intend to personally take over Meralco management. Dili na pwede ky GSIS president man cya. The best he can do only is recommend somebody who is more qualified than Francisco who unfortunately has no background on power generation & distribution. unya moagi pa na ug votation sa board.

ennngk! wrong again. COA cannot audit a corporate entity like Meralco. Ang COA sa government agencies ug LGU's ra na.

[godwhacker]

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide I too want my power rates to go down but i really think the problem doesn't begins with Meralco, we should be digging for the root cause of all this. There are other factors that contribute to high prices of electricity. Winston can bark at the others trees who in one way or another affects the price of power.

Kini unta maoy imbestigahon ug maayo sa Senado.

[worldwide]

Quote: Originally Posted by godwhacker Peace Bro. I didn't mean to undermine other people's ideas. And you are right. It may not give us guarantees from the consumer point of view but the blatant disregard of law that Meralco displayed by not carrying out the Supreme Court decision is a sign that under them you cannot expect the rates to go down. Mokanaug lang siguro kay karon naa na gubot na but molinaw na gani business as usual. Back to the merry old ways. So hamay maayo ug sulayan kuno ning gipanghambug ni Winston. For me wa koy emotional feelings bisag asa ana nilang duha. Ang ako nga mogamay akong bayad sa kuryente.

Peace too Bro. I really hope when the cloud clears, it is us the users who will benefit from this gubot.

[giddyboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by godwhacker Kini unta maoy imbestigahon ug maayo sa Senado.

murag gi imbestigar na man sa senado bro. i just dunno kung nagcge pa or naundang.

@ worldwide: ngano gud mka imbestigar diay c Winston sa uban like veco and davao light nga ang stake sa GSIS is only meralco ra man?

sakto ka nga dili ra Meralco ang hinungdan sa high rates but also Napocor. heck, even the spiraling oil prices ang dako gyud ug factor ani.

but his jurisdiction is only limited to Meralco due to GSIS shares. and nothing more.

[worldwide]

Quote: Originally Posted by giddyboy murag gi imbestigar na man sa senado bro. i just dunno kung nagcge pa or naundang. @ worldwide: ngano gud mka imbestigar diay c Winston sa uban like veco and davao light nga ang stake sa GSIS is only meralco ra man? sakto ka nga dili ra Meralco ang hinungdan sa high rates but also Napocor. heck, even the spiraling oil prices ang dako gyud ug factor ani. but his jurisdiction is only limited to Meralco due to GSIS shares. and nothing more.

you are right that his jurisdiction is only limited to meralco, but why blame only meralco? meralco may have management issues but if you are the accuser wouldnt it be prudent to know exactly what contributes to the high prices of power? while he cannot investigate, he can always take up the problematic factors to his boss, the president.

[gpcortes07]

Quote: Originally Posted by godwhacker Bro wether he is acting for the Arroyos or not so long as he can reduce the power rate per his promise, well and good. Di nato kaayo dib dibon ang politics kay after all ang importante man nga mominos ang bayranan sa atong montly bill. I don't care about their powerplay diha bro. Bahala sila ug mangalata sila pero ako maoy naka pabor kay ang ako ra gusto nga mogamay akong bayranan sa kuryente. Let them devour it's other kay inig kahuman ari man ang pabor nako as a consumer.

Bro, in this statement its clear your in favor of Winston`s move because you will gain something from it as a consumer. But what will future investors think now after this issue, they might be afraid to invest in our in return. Sayang kaayo ang future jobs nahatag nila for Filipinos. Pabor gyud ko mo ubos ang bayad sa kurente pero maayo unta naka kita si Garcia or ang atong goberno ug better way nga dili sad mahadlok mga investors sa Pilipinas. Kay nasugdan naman nila hala padayon sila sa ilang gibati karon kita mga Pilipino balik ta kayod para sa atong kaugalingon kay wala na gyud lain makatabang nato, ato ra gyud kaugalingong paninguha kay hapit ko maka ingon nga hopeless atong mga politiko karon nga nagpadagan sa atong goberno. Dili man unta ko ganahan mo surrender para sa Pilipinas pero mga balita paita gyud sa atong nasud oi. hehehehe!

[xxkatgorgeousxx]

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide I too want my power rates to go down but i really think the problem doesn't begins with Meralco, we should be digging for the root cause of all this. There are other factors that contribute to high prices of electricity. Winston can bark at the others trees who in one way or another affects the price of power.

right..i don't think 'ts all meralco's fault man sab ngano taas ang kuryente..ang meralco man tig-provide sa electricity but naa man TRANSCO ug NAPOCOR na tig-distribute..correct me if im wrong (kai mura bali ni cya)..hehe! ang uban dues sa electricity comes from "distribution costs" thingie nila that should be asked sa people from those distributing power companies..di man tanan BLAME ipasa sa Meralco..

dapat investigation ni..

[godwhacker]

Quote: Originally Posted by gpcortes07 Bro, in this statement its clear your in favor of Winston`s move because you will gain something from it as a consumer. But what will future investors think now after this issue, they might be afraid to invest in our in return. Sayang kaayo ang future jobs nahatag nila for Filipinos. Pabor gyud ko mo ubos ang bayad sa kurente pero maayo unta naka kita si Garcia or ang atong goberno ug better way nga dili sad mahadlok mga investors sa Pilipinas. Kay nasugdan naman nila hala padayon sila sa ilang gibati karon kita mga Pilipino balik ta kayod para sa atong kaugalingon kay wala na gyud lain makatabang nato, ato ra gyud kaugalingong paninguha kay hapit ko maka ingon nga hopeless atong mga politiko karon nga nagpadagan sa atong goberno. Dili man unta ko ganahan mo surrender para sa Pilipinas pero mga balita paita gyud sa atong nasud oi. hehehehe!

Of course bro. As I've said earlier, dili ko proud ni Winston but from the job's point of view, uyon ko sa iyang gibuhat nga makig bangga siya Meralco. I don't care ug unsay iyang agenda basta lang mogamay akong bayranan sa kuryente. I am just pragmatic about this issue. Whaever personal dislikes I have on Winston, I don't couple it with business issues. Kasagaran gud dire nga posters bro akong personal opinion lang, emotional ra kaayo. Just because politically, Winston is perceived to be evil, dunay strings attached ang ilang pagtan-aw as gibuhat karon ni Winston sa Meralco shake-up. Ug ato bayang tan-awon ug maayo, sa wa pa mag banha ug maayo si winston wala mo offer ang Meralco nga ilang paubsan ang rate. Karon nangimbitar na gani silang Winston nga cooperate lang ta bai kay atong pagamyan ang rate. Ang tan-aw gud sa Meralco sa mga consumers bro mora ta ug mga bata ba nga mohilak gani taga-an ug kendi aron mohilum.

[godsaint]

OT:GMA should declare Martial Law first to get rid of ABS-CBN.Her harassment on Meralco coul not affect her revenge on the Lopezes.Klaro gyud kaau.

[GEMINIX]

dah... what is new? its part of the game. ang question is who is TRUE in politics? mao ako im neutral ... sakit2 lang ta ato dughan anah nila

[WAYOK@@]

Quote: Originally Posted by worldwide if Meralco and ERC can say that the electric charges are legal. Who do we blame then? we go back to the Epira law that allowed Meralco to make these charges. ask your government and congress why they allowed it. Going back to Winston G, if he wants to reduce electricity rate, he should target everyone involved in making the rates higher including the government he serve.

ang systms loss raman ang naa sa epira law pero ang pag gamit sa mga offices sa meralco nga libre ang kuryente. wala na sa balaod. ila nalang na gideclare nga systems loss.

[tinsi]

Quote: Originally Posted by WAYOK@@ ang systms loss raman ang naa sa epira law pero ang pag gamit sa mga offices sa meralco nga libre ang kuryente. wala na sa balaod. ila nalang na gideclare nga systems loss.

I agree nga that seems to be a gray area in the implementation of what constitutes as systems loss . But let's face it , the cost to maintain electricity in ones operations is a cost that gets factored in , in the pricing of one's products diba? So whether it goes in as part of the distribution charge or goes in as part of systems loss it still gets passed on to the customer right? Wala man tingaliy negosyo nga ang ilang cost to operate dili nila irecover sa pricing.

[tinsi]

Quote: Originally Posted by giddyboy ennngk!!! wrong. Garcia's action doesn't mean he will intend to personally take over Meralco management. Dili na pwede ky GSIS president man cya. The best he can do only is recommend somebody who is more qualified than Francisco who unfortunately has no background on power generation & distribution. unya moagi pa na ug votation sa board. ennngk! wrong again. COA cannot audit a corporate entity like Meralco. Ang COA sa government agencies ug LGU's ra na.

@ giddyboy a big ennnngk to you too because on this one you are very wrong.

"THE National Association of Electricity Consumers for Reforms, Inc. (Nasecore) asked the Commission on Audit (COA) to implement the order of the Energy Regulatory Commission (ERC) to audit records of Manila Electric Co (Meralco) on the basis of Supreme Court decisions ordering it to refund P30 billion to its customers. " - Malaya - May 27, 2008. A similar news report appeared in the Inquirer and in Business world

And if you can please recheck my post I did not say that Mr. Garcia planned on managing Meralco in a personal capacity. I said he wanted to wrest control of Meralco which is what he wanted to do when he wanted a shareholders vote that would grant the GSIS majority control of the company.

So Mr. Giddy boy quit the ennnngk talk and lets stick to keeping a healthy , intelligent discussion going around.