How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

[al1974]

Quote: Originally Posted by mr_kyme Mao gani ikaw , ako , kta tanan.. naa ra nato ... Filipinos gi hapon ang magbuhat ana... So naa ra gihapon kamot sa Filipinos... hehehe

Yes Filipinos bitaw ang gabuhat sa system. but my point is- ikaw, ako, kita- walay sala why there is poverty. But the people creating the system of low wages and the people implementing low wages are the ones responsible for poverty.

Unless of course if you have a company and giving low wages to your employees, then you are responsible, you have caused poverty.

I dont have a company to run but I employ 2 maids and giving them a salary of 2000 each. The maids serve only 4 person-me, my wife, my 2 sons-6yr old and 7yr old. Although gamay pa ila salary- free sila uli 2x a year and I give them pamasahe. They will also be getting a 13 month pay. I am planning to increase their salary this year and every year becasue I want to help them. I wanted to send them to school for free but they declined.

With hyperwage, all will benefit. Ayaw mo kaguol sa mga tag-iya ug companies kay dili na sila mapurdoy but their income will be tamed.

[Tarmac]

Quote: Originally Posted by al1974 By the way- when you post here, I expect you to be matured enough and steer clear of insults. We are talking here on how to solve poverty. I am serious in posting here. I want to advocate a solution to this poverty. Wala ko nasobrahan bay- sakto ko sa edukasyon, sakto ko sa panghunahuna. I will not go down to your level. I dont want to give in to your crab mentality attitude. And besides, my intellectual faculty is not meant to insult but to enlighten people like you. So please, no unnecessary comments.

Well said, al1974. You might also want to direct those very same comments to another poster here.

Quote: Originally Posted by al1974 Unless of course if you have a company and giving low wages to your employees, then you are responsible, you have caused poverty. I dont have a company to run but I employ 2 maids and giving them a salary of 2000 each. The maids serve only 4 person-me, my wife, my 2 sons-6yr old and 7yr old. Although gamay pa ila salary- free sila uli 2x a year and I give them pamasahe. They will also be getting a 13 month pay. I am planning to increase their salary this year and every year becasue I want to help them. I wanted to send them to school for free but they declined. With hyperwage, all will benefit. Ayaw mo kaguol sa mga tag-iya ug companies kay dili na sila mapurdoy but their income will be tamed.

Well said, once again.

Now that you've brought it up, we give our household help salaries higher than the present average stated by Bentulan. They have enjoyed increases within 6 months of the day they first join us, and enjoy increases every year. We also give them a bonus on their birthdays. Aside from that, they enjoy free medical care and free schooling for their dependents. If so inclined, we even send them to school. One graduated and became a bookkeeper for one of the businesses. Overnight, from domestic help wage, she went to staff pay.

The office from which we run our business has a modest staffing level. But our office staff also enjoy the same non-wage benefits. Those are on top of their SSS, PAG-IBIG and Philhealth benefits. I have interviewed applicants to most of our office positions. I always ask them what they were making in their previous jobs and the answers have always dismayed me. CPAs working at P7,000/month. An honors-graduate industrial engineer being paid P6,000/month. A CPA-Lawyer working for P4,000/month as a casual employee at one of the cities here. When I ask them what their salary expectations are, they usually cite a figure that is not much higher. Without exception, we have hired them on at salary levels much higher than even they expected. One, a single mom with a son with learning difficulties who had been jobless for over a year, broke down and cried when we told her what we were going to pay her. She cried once more when she saw her salary increase the following year.l

Now we have a bunch of happy employees. Turnover is... well, we haven't had people leave yet with the exception of one who left for Canada because her husband got a job there. Our employees happily multi-task. Their output surprises even me at times.

So you see why I am interested in the Hyperwage Theory. I came to this thread wanting to see how it stands up to the harsh reality of the Philippine socio-political environment. How it could be implemented despite the uphill battle it obviously faces. Because within our own means, we have implemented our own humble version of hyperwage--uplifting a few people's lives in the process, we hope.

Unfortunately, one particular individual on this thread manages to single-handedly stifle any meaningful discussion on the matter. Everything degenerates into insults.

[mr_kyme]

Mao raman gi hapon wla man gi hapon tay mabuhat.
sauna raman ni na issue..hehe

So for now, The only way i can help change my country is maningkamot ko
maka tukod ko ug company or business na mka hatag ko ug dako na salary
sa akong mga employees na fellow filipinos.
Cuz for me taas akong pride pananaw smga filipinos. And dili sensilyo ang
sweldo sa mga filipinos. SO right now, manrabaho sko na dagko ug company
then until i got my saving already. Mag tukod na gyud ko ug business na enough
mka grants sko dream hehe

So sir al1974, ur right . Starting a self to have or help ur community, is to give them
a bigger salary. But the only problem is, Ang bad politics naman ga control sa atong
gusto nato ipa tuman. and i think mo take pa ug time na ipa dungog nila ky magpa bungol2x
sila hehe...
So for now, lets start our self and maningkamot ta atoa na matabangan nato atong Cntry. hehe
Cge lang ta ani ug blabbering2x then wla ta lihok2x, cge lang ta reclamo2x... hehehe
Mypa mo lihok nalang ta atoa and start changing it the way how it live's hehe
na kuha ninyo akong points?

[mr_kyme]

So still Fipinos are the source of poverty ky pinoy raman gi hapon ni atong
mga politicians bro hehe

[markokintolimbo]

in my opinion never jud ta ma asenso ilabi na ang mga kabus maglisod cla mka kuha ug asenso kay ila panginabuhi sa adlaw2x mao ra dihapun how came to stop poverty, dapat ang family mogiya sa ila anak for right descipline tagaan jud moral values arun ineg kadako maayo ang iya paglantaw sa umaabot dili lng sa government ang ato basulon kundi sa sulod sa balay ni kuya hehehee.. as i said desiplina talga kailangan.. or maybe need ta help ni santino kay " BRO "..

[davanitz]

@foolonthehill
@tarmac
@al1974
@unsayngalan

this is getting personal... can we go back to the issue on hand?

[fleur_66]

politics play a big part on poverty stricken-filipinos

[mannyamador]

Quote: Originally Posted by al1974 But to the third world countries, population needs to be curb down due to poverty and inequitable distribution of wealth.

That is one myths that is being debunked.

[Tarmac]

Quote: Originally Posted by davanitz @foolonthehill @tarmac @al1974 @unsayngalan this is getting personal... can we go back to the issue on hand?

I will, very gladly. But I reserve the right to defend myself.

[hardlock]

Wana lagiy pag-asa intawn ang Pilipinas...

[bungot25]

@al1974

i think sa tanang countries man cguro ni nga scheme,, blind kaayo ang mga tao kay dili man sila kabantay sa scam gud,, gobyerno man gud ang ig on! mao na inig ka lugi sa gobyerno wala nay mahimo ang mga officialis kon dili mo gamble nalang sa utang...just like the marcus regime before, do you think ang Pilipinas?? pobre kaayo?? maka ingon gyud ka nga datu sila atong panahuna.kay si marcus kamao man to mo gulat sa iyang mga contra ug kamao mo dala sa ekonomiya.. kana imo giingon nga hyper wage murag naay hidden plan na pud ana,, murag nagka anam na gyud ug ka klaro ilang duwa sa gobyerno,,unya ang katong nakahibaw murag naa pud silay kahadlok mobulabog sila,, kay kuyaw man gud!!

but for me, ang ako ika tampo as a bisaya, mag kahiusa gyud ta ani,, maskin mo ingon ko civil war ug dili na gyud madala or something liberal to reform the government and to gain its assets... to those who are radical on their side they have to find out more strategies to how to defeat this scam..

[al1974]

Quote: Originally Posted by mannyamador That is one myths that is being debunked.

It is not a myth bro- look around us and in other third world countries- there is overpopulation of poor income-class. Mas daghan pobre, gamay ra ang datu- isn't that inequitable distribution of wealth?

The rich can feed their dogs but not their fellow Filipinos. The rich can feed their whims and hobbies like collecting cars, buying prime real estates, signature clothes, rolex, panerai, luxury cars, etc. Aren't they filthy rich?

And the poor can hardly eat a decent meal.

[al1974]

Quote: Originally Posted by bungot25 @al1974 but for me, ang ako ika tampo as a bisaya, mag kahiusa gyud ta ani,, maskin mo ingon ko civil war ug dili na gyud madala or something liberal to reform the government and to gain its assets... to those who are radical on their side they have to find out more strategies to how to defeat this scam..

Civil war is not the answer bro, neither communism.

[al1974]

Quote: Originally Posted by hardlock Wana lagiy pag-asa intawn ang Pilipinas...

So what do you propose? What do you have in mind?

You can go abroad bro if you think wala na ta pag-asa. Maybe there, you can have a better life. and maybe there, you can have pag-asa.

As for me- I hope and pray for a better Philippines. In my own little way, I do what I can to have a better country for my kids. I just so believe that Hyperwage Theory is a way to a better Philippines.

[grovestreet]

i'm starting with the man in the mirror...