How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

[Tarmac]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, HERE'S THE REAL CLINCHER:

Quote: Originally Posted by foolonthehill The brain drain is not basketball and tennis. They are part of the problems being addressed by hyperwage, you cannot say they are not related (basket and tennis are sports) thats the point; same generic class.

BWAHAHAHA!!! FELLOW ISTORYANS IT IS NOW OFFICIAL: Fool has a serious problem with reading comprehension!!!

Thank you, Fool, you really made my day with that lulu.

My comment on basketball and tennis was not even attached to any argument dealing with hyperwage. Not even remotely close. It dealt directly with your method of debating. We are supposed to be talking about Issue A but you reply on the basis of Issue Z. Hence the analogy about agreeing to a game of tennis but you showing up in a basketball jersey and shooting free throws instead. Basketball and tennis Generic class? The only thing generic about the two issues discussed is that they are issues.

Then you do me the unexpected favor of confirming my analogy exactly by arguing against my comment on your method of debate (Issue A) using the hyperwage theory (Issue Z).

So now you've gone to a tennis game in a basketball jersey, shot free throws and then committed a turnover. I don't know how that's possible but that's what you just did.



O... gets mo na?

Fool dear, please let me know lang if I need to increase font size. I'm willing to put myself out on a limb and in hot water with the mods just so you can understand.

The only way my comment on basketball and tennis relates to brain drain is the one that is happening on your part.

And that's a very serious problem. While our country's brain drain is reversible, yours is not.

Omigosh!!! I can't believe I had to explain that comment to you! Unbelievable!!! It seems I gave you too much credit for your intelligence. Fool, you're disappointing me. For a person who urges the use of logic so often, you seem to be beggared by it yourself.

If you can't even comprehend the message post of an ordinary person like me, how did you even begin to think you could comprehend Thads Bentulan I don't remember seeing pictures and drawings anywhere on his treatise on Hyperwage. Perhaps you picked up Hyperwage from one of those erroneous textbooks Mr. Calipjo-Go is campaigning against?

Now it's pretty clear engaging you in an exchange of thoughts is a waste of time. I can think of better ways to waste time. I'm not going to sit down with you and smoke that sweet-something you seem to be on. `

To all Istoryans--here's a maxim you might find useful when dealing with fools:

Never engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

[Tarmac]

Quote: Originally Posted by foolonthehill It so fallacious, why does the other person matter to you? we read the same book, and if you dont understand it, i cannot make you understand it. I dont matter to you. Understanding is between you and the book.[/size]

Of course to you the other person does not matter. That explains why you've been so condescending and arrogant towards other posters here.

Did you sign up just to post on this thread or did you get a new user name to allow you to assail people anonymously? Because from your very first post on this thread you've done nothing but insult people with withering comments dripping with sarcasm and disdain. Your method of persuasion consists of intimidating or bamboozling people into agreeing with you.

Not only that, you don't bother to read or understand what other people really have to say no matter how it's spelled out in black and white because you are too far self-absorbed with your delusions of superior intellect.

You, Sir/Ma'am, have done nothing to advance the cause of Hyperwage because your hostility only precludes any meaningful discussion on the subject. Instead of attracting people to your perceived cause, you drive them away.

Now that you're getting a dose of your own medicine, it has finally come to light that you think other people should not matter. That explains a lot.

As you said yourself, Res Ipsa Loquitur.

Understanding Hyperwage goes beyond an individual and the book. Hyperwage is all about lifting people from the clutches of poverty. According to al1974 it is a theory born out of someone's love for his country and his fellow Filipinos, and his desire to help find a workable solution to an almost impossible problem. My reservations about some points on his theory notwithstanding, Hyperwage is Thads Bentulan's attempt to cut the proverbial Gordian Knot of poverty.

You, on the other hand, have shown nothing of that empathy for other people.

You keep saying you understand Hyperwage. But you display nothing of the values behind it.



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[al1974]

Quote: Originally Posted by davanitz Question!!! What happen if all countries will implement hyperwage?

Of course, economy will improve, standard of living will improve, nobody would have to look for greener grass outside of their country.

Now, my question is- Will you be happy if Hyperwage is implemented?

[mannyamador]

Documentary Demographic Bomb Follows Demographic Winter Population Expose'
http://www.lifenews.com/int1248.html

[Tarmac]

Quote: Originally Posted by foolonthehill pax american? britannica/; are you lost in time? You blame people 800 years ago for your poverty now? and their wealth today? Wake up.

Psst unsayngalan,

According to Fool, naa na diay United States of America 800 years ago. Pax Britannica was also 800 years ago.

He dismisses questions without the foggiest notion of what is being asked.

Sunod pangutan-a na lang si al1974 kay ang usa pangsindak ra man diay ang nahibaw-an. Aw, sa masindak ra niya...

[bungot25]

do you think our country is another victim of bankers scheme?

[al1974]

Quote: Originally Posted by bungot25 do you think our country is another victim of bankers scheme?

I think yes- and that is also part of the strategy of poverty in the hyperwage theory---

Tuesday, August 29, 2006
Part 1 -- Hyperwage Theory: The Strategy of Poverty

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Hyperwage Theory Part 01

In which the Street Strategist unveils the state’s secret strategy of poverty

Published: BusinessWorld May 2, 2002

Chapter 1: The Strategy of Poverty

(Hyperwage Theory Part 1)

Of the state policies of poor nations perhaps none is more paradoxical than the strategy of poverty. The irony is that unless someone such as the Street Strategist points it out, even the government itself is unaware it is actually pursuing such a strategy.

Since we had just celebrated Labor Day, I find it relevant to reveal the secret labor strategy of the government.

When the country welcomes foreign investors with the promise of low labor cost, unconsciously it is prostituting the great talents of our highly educated workforce at decadent low wages. In promising so, the state sells out the souls of the country’s labor workforce by perpetuating low wages. The state effectively says, come to us because it is our policy to keep the people poor by maintaining low wages.

That, my friend, is the strategy of poverty.

Don’t tell me we are luring foreign investors with our infrastructure because there aren’t any. Don’t tell me we are luring them with our efficient and corruption-free government because it isn’t. And don’t tell me we are luring them with our English-speaking workforce because it is almost irrelevant – the Asian headquarters of American and European companies prefer Hong Kong or Singapore.

If the government is not the unwitting agent of this strategy of poverty, then worse, it is the unwitting originator and perpetrator of this offense against labor. The operative word is “unwitting.”

The greatest problem with the unwitting perpetrator is that it thinks it is doing something good for the country. This is the tyranny of well-meaning intentions using wrong analysis.

Allow me to sketch my economic theory first. In future articles, I will belabor them in detail, including addressing the loopholes that you may find in this simplified sketch.

Under this strategy of poverty, the man in the street directly suffers the effects of keeping the people poor as a matter of state policy. And since this is a state-sponsored strategy there is no hope in sight for him during his generation, and the generation of his children.

Thus, he escapes from the regime and seeks better chances in countries with higher wages such as the Middle East, Hong Kong, Singapore, and the most treasured paradise called the United States. The rich ones left in the country are the politicians, wherever their wealth came from.

What happens when the best brains of the country seek refuge in a high paying country? The poor country becomes poorer because its economy is drained of the best talents; while the rich country becomes richer because it is overflowing with the best talents in the world.

Due to the dearth of productive talents, the poor nation heads for a downward spiral; on the other hand due to an oversupply of productive talents, the rich nation heads for an upward spiral. The gap between the rich and the poor nations widens.

How can the rich nation be certain that the emigrating talent improves the productivity of its economy? Simple test. If he does not produce more revenue than his salary, he will be fired.

While reserving details for future articles, allow me to sketch the high wage scenario.

The world’s best talents – mathematicians, physicists, bankers, doctors, and nurses gravitate towards the highest paying center of the labor universe. They are paid high, but they must produce higher than their income, which means the business must grow or else it is shut down. Since the best minds are competing in one market, they produce the best science, the best computers, the best medical equipments and the best weapons of mass destruction.

When wages are high, the corporate structure tends to be labor-efficient. Instead of three staffers, supermarket check-out stands will have to make do with one. The same labor-efficient principle applies to the government as well. Bureaucrats will find it hard to justify hiring 20 casual employees each receiving a monthly salary equivalent to five TV sets.

Because automation saves labor cost, it is second nature to these corporations. The companies acquire the latest, fastest equipment, and in cases of agriculture, adopt the best yielding techniques. Thus it may happen a rich nation with all its expensive labor can produce rice cheaper than a Third World country.

When the wages are high, basic commodities are high. But since income outstrips the cost of basic commodities, there is still some savings left. The typical worker is still above the poverty line. Food prices go up, but how much rice and vegetables can you really consume? There will be funds left over for savings, or future investment.

When basic commodities are high, the worker rethinks the size of his family. Thus, in Japan, Korea, Singapore or in Europe, the population growth is very low compared to that a poor country.
When wages are high, inflation is high. Inflation is a sign of growth, growth is good. Inflation therefore is a leading indicator of economic optimism. Inflation means higher prices. In which country is Nokia cheaper?

In the Philippines or in Singapore? How about TV sets, designer clothes, and hamburgers?

Do you really think that inflation in a poor country will skyrocket so high that cars, stereos, cellphones, will be more expensive than the price in the world market? There is a limit to inflation and in most instances, today, the country is already at these upper limits. The poor nation is currently paying First World prices using Third World salaries.

High wages create a larger middle class, with the ability to save and to create their own business using these savings.

Higher wages reduce the profits of the shareholders but this doesn’t mean they will go bankrupt. Thus higher wages reduce the gap between the middle class and the rich without corrupt government fingers dipping into the bowl.

High wages cause unemployment but which rich country has higher unemployment figures than poor countries?

When wages are high, the rich country’s citizens need not go to foreign lands. Instead they develop their own businesses, both service and manufacturing, and export their products to the world, profitably. At a later stage, they exploit the low labor cost in some poor country for even greater profit.

I am sure the economists are hot and raring to shoot down these sketchy ideas. Let’s hear them out now because in my future articles, I will be spending time on the implications of the above observations. At least, I could address your anxieties in the coming articles. As you have seen, I raised several issues, all of which cannot be covered in a single article. This article serves a mental guideline of the direction of my economic theory.

But before you do so, just try to answer in your mind: Why is it that millions of patriotic citizens leave the country each year to prostitute their talents to the highest bidding country? Why are these professionals and workers building other countries instead of their own?

And, before becoming rich, a country must have been poor. What did it do?

By the way, have you noticed that the rich countries are those with expensive labor, while the poor countries are those that have very cheap labor? Why?

Is high minimum wage the result of being a rich country? Or is being a rich country a result of high minimum wage?

These questions and their answers are central to the Street Strategist’s economic theory.
(Thads Bentulan, May 2, 2002)

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[al1974]

Quote: Originally Posted by mannyamador Documentary Demographic Bomb Follows Demographic Winter Population Expose' Documentary Demographic Bomb Follows Demographic Winter Population Expose'

I havent fully digested the article but on the onset this talks about world population and that we are misled that there is a population explosion when there is none. To some point, yes there is a need for certain countries to increase population and this goes true with rich nations. But to the third world countries, population needs to be curb down due to poverty and inequitable distribution of wealth.

[mr_kyme]

kta maoy source sa poverty..hehe

[al1974]

Quote: Originally Posted by mr_kyme kta maoy source sa poverty..hehe

not you, not me, not the beggar on the street- these are not the cause of poverty. The cause of poverty is the system of giving below survival wages. That is why Hyperwage is the answer!

[ruckus]

stop graft and corruption....under the table...red tape...pork barrel....we need fresh and good government.

[mr_kyme]

Quote: Originally Posted by al1974 not you, not me, not the beggar on the street- these are not the cause of poverty. The cause of poverty is the system of giving below survival wages. That is why Hyperwage is the answer!

Mao gani ikaw , ako , kta tanan.. naa ra nato ...
Filipinos gi hapon ang magbuhat ana...
So naa ra gihapon kamot sa Filipinos... hehehe

[SioDenz]

Quote: Originally Posted by mr_kyme Mao gani ikaw , ako , kta tanan.. naa ra nato ... Filipinos gi hapon ang magbuhat ana... So naa ra gihapon kamot sa Filipinos... hehehe

wala tingali ni siya kasabot unsay meaning sa KITA bro..

Mahimu ba kaha na iya gi ingun nga system ug walay tawo nga gahimu ana ug ga manage ana...

sabta nlan nah kay nasubrahan na sa iyang Hyperwage. hehehe

[al1974]

Quote: Originally Posted by SioDenz wala tingali ni siya kasabot unsay meaning sa KITA bro.. Mahimu ba kaha na iya gi ingun nga system ug walay tawo nga gahimu ana ug ga manage ana... sabta nlan nah kay nasubrahan na sa iyang Hyperwage. hehehe

yes there are people behind the system- but are you in control of the system? is the beggar on the street in control of the system? Can you change the system? Do you have a better solution?

Here is a Filipino who have thought of a system to help especially those receiving low wages and you look the other way trying to suggest solutions which we have been doing and implementing eversince- and what was the result? Still in poverty. And the poverty line is still growing. Our middle class earners are even close to poverty line. Read the book and you will know better.

By the way- when you post here, I expect you to be matured enough and steer clear of insults. We are talking here on how to solve poverty. I am serious in posting here. I want to advocate a solution to this poverty. Wala ko nasobrahan bay- sakto ko sa edukasyon, sakto ko sa panghunahuna. I will not go down to your level. I dont want to give in to your crab mentality attitude. And besides, my intellectual faculty is not meant to insult but to enlighten people like you. So please, no unnecessary comments.

[al1974]

Quote: Originally Posted by mr_kyme Mao gani ikaw , ako , kta tanan.. naa ra nato ... Filipinos gi hapon ang magbuhat ana... So naa ra gihapon kamot sa Filipinos... hehehe

What was done for the last 100 years to lessen poverty in our country? Feeding Program? Loans? Pabahay? NGO work? What else? did it work? No, we are still in poverty and will still be.

Ikaw, ako, kita tanan? Unsa man ato himuon?

Unless we all will go for Hyperwage implementation, then we will improve the poverty situation in this country.

If you have no idea what hyperwage is, please try to read first about it to understand more.