How to stop or solve the poverty in the Philippines?

[leo_trams]

A system should be in place that will instill discpline among us.
Kung unsa nga system, that I do not know yet.
Unsa on man na ang discipline if ang systema huyang...mo breakdown ra gihapon ang discipline.

Example of a good system.

Adto ka sa atong mga malls (SM, Ayala, E-mall, Gaisano..etc)
daghan kaayong tawo dinha, lain-lain lang sila ug kina-iya, adunay buotan, malditohon, naay medyo bastos, mga sexy...Pero mahibulong gyud mo nganong wala kay makita nga tawo nga nangihi sa daplin sa agi-anan. ngano kaha? is it discpline?...pero adto gawas sa malls...di ba naay mga eskina/eskinita nga baho ug angso. bahong ihi...
sa gawas sa malls, mga tawo pataka lang ug labay ug basura (panit sa candy), pataka lang ug pangluwa,...pero sa sulod sa mall, aduna ba moy makita nga pataka lang ug pangluwa? aduna ba kamo'y makita nga pataka lang ug labay ug panit sa candy?...Nakakita ba mo ug nanigarilyo sa sulod sa mall? Pero tan-awa sa sulod sa jeepney, bisan klaro kaayo ang NO SMOKING sign...hala pabulhot gihapon sa sigarilyo.

So, is it Discipline or a System?
A system that will really punish offenders might just do the trick. Once it is in place, mohayag-hayag na gyud tingali ato kaugmaon.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

kanang kwarta ug opoutunidad nag tuyok2x ra na.. kung di ka maning kamot di sad ka moasenso.. naa man gud uban basulon ang gobyerno sa ila kapobrehon nya sila way gihimo cge lang stambay

[kenjoenue]

tangtangon ang mga kurakot ug pabayran ang nakawat....

[tatadeasis]

an iron fist in the government and a vegelant, proactive citizenry.

[foolonthehill]

Mr Unsay Ngalan NImo.
You actually believed the article written in Rational Choice? Are you sure you know what you are reading?

The person who wrote it used the homeowner and the helpers salary as merely money transferred from one hand to another, and that accdg to the supposed economist who wrote that blog, the total money is the same.

Ha ha ha ha...

Im sure you are not an economist Mr Ngalan, and so you blindly accept the blog of an economist (blindly)...

Why is that funny? bec the supposed economist does not even know what he is talking about.

And here is what you should know too.. MONEY transferred from the homeowner to the helper is not a matter of 100+0= 100 and that 80+20 = 100 (the total being the same).

NO NO NNO way...!!!! Why? Dont forget this.. and read the book bec I know you did not read the book.

the total is not the same because MONEY is created (not conserved!!), there is MONEY multiplier, and the Keynesian multiplier.

Read the two chapters on these topic in the Hyperwage Book.

If you have read them and still you dont understand, then DONT pretend to know. If you dont understand, DONT talk.


Since I read that blog too before as I googled Hyperwage, if you had a better background in economics Mr. Ngalan, you will realize that:
- the blogger who is an economics student, shows his ignorance of economics itself, by saying that thed principle in MONEY Multiplier is DIFFERENT from the Keynesian multiplier.

HIs fallacious reasoning? That money multiplier is due to teh banking system. What baloney! That is economic ignorance outright.

The fact is, the same principle and mechanism works in the Money multiplier in banks and the Keynesian multiplier, and indeed teh Keynesian multiplier is the Money multiplier.

And their underlying process? Its also in the Hyperwage book: The infinite geometric progression for r<0.

BUt I dont think you know what that progression means. Bec if you knew what that means, and if you have read the book, then there is no other conclusion: Keynesian multiplier and the money multiplier ARE NOT different, they have the same underlying process.

I agree with the other pro Hyperwage here, we use the same language because we have read and understood the book. I was teacher of advance calculus before, and I understood Hyperwage Theory immediately because it is mathematically consistent.

Have you read the chapter on "Repealing the law of supply and demand?" read it. if you cant understand it, I cant be responsible for your confusion.

Do you even understand NONLinear systems?

All the reasoning are found in the book, Grabe! The book is self consistent and perfectly logical. The more highly educated you are, the more you realize how deep it is.

At first, I was a negative reader because I thought "this is against econ 1" but then when I read it, I realized, it was not against econ 1. It was actually beyond econ 1. Econ 1 is merely a special case, while Hyperwage is the general theory.

Just remember this, your friends and relatives are in the US not because they love the Philippines but because they love the Hyperwage of the USA.

The theory is not funny. It is you who are funny.

and money paikot ikot is NOT the same total anymore. It is actually MULTIPLIED. It is obvious you dont understand the multiplier effect.

Now thats funny.. somebody poohing an economic theory when this person doesnt even know what a multiplier is.

REad more, learn more.

Quote: Originally Posted by unsay_ngalan_nimo hahahaha.. really... the theory is funny... patataasin mo ang sweldo ng isng maid o janitor sa 25k.... tanong ko lang magknao dpat ang magiging sweldo ng mga amo nila dapat? tataas din diba? ganun pa rin yun... kahit hindi na lang Econ 102 Econ 11 na lang... ang pera sa bansa pa ikot-ikot lang yan... supply of law and demand... and inflation... ;D Rational Choice: Evaluating hyperwage theory - or, what have you learned from your basic economics? (2) Education and more filipinos participating in the market not as mere consumer but also as producers...

[foolonthehill]

There are 90 million pinoys, how many is benefitted in this project? 0.000001%.

As systems analysts, we should be able to focus on the long term and final solution. Not the palliatives.

If all those people working on NGO projects will unite and move for Hyperwage, their effort will be for the long term and for 100% of the people in the country because all will benefit including the businessmen.

Remember that businessmen work on a COST PLUS basis. Meaning, they merely add profits to their cost, thus the term cost plus.

For biz, it does not matter bec they will just price it by adding their profits to their costs. If the prices of cement will go up, they will just raise their selling price. (Cost PLUS)/.

If the prices of computers will go up, then they will just add their profits to the new cost, and the new selling price is computer.

So why should businessews worry?

Quote: Originally Posted by al1974 Here's little things to help improve or lessen poverty: 1. Just last June 16, 2009- I attended the Busog, Lusog, Talino meeting at Labogon Elem School in Mandaue. Its a program initiated by Jollibee Foods Corporation (with the 4 brands- Jollibee, Greenwich, Chowking and Red Ribbon). Its a feeding program for six months for Graders 1 and 2. I met Mr. Canoy there- the school principal of Leonard Wood Elem School in Jagobiao- This guy is amazing- he shared to me how he transformed his former school from the most malnourished pupils to healthy pupils. He had been doing feeding programs and have gone through greater lengths by influencing the community with his advocacy. He first started school gardens- veges, fruits, etc. The produce in the garden he used to feed the pupils with nutritious meals. At first- the gardens produce were stolen due to the dire need of the community. So he gave seedlings and encouraged the community near the school to plant too. This resulted to having the community join in his garden and feeding program- even the habal2X drivers volunteered to help with the program--- Amazing... this just shows that if each of us try to do even simple things to help each other, this will create a ripple effect. I call on each of us here reading this thread to do small things to help each other. Let us start by planting gardens and be examples. This will somehow help in daily expenses and will encourage our neighbors to do the same. I remember my late lola who raised 9 children with my lolo working as a welder. My grandparents tend to their gardens and their chickens daily. Their garden yielded their daily needs except rice. If each of us, specially those living at poverty line- start having gardens and at least lessen watching telenovelas and save electricity, we can ease a little on our spendings. Its a small step but its a start. 2. Dont throw away reusable stuffs that you dont need. Give it to those who will need it- anothers man's garbage is another man's treasure. If you dont want to give, then sell it to those who might need it. A friend of mine sells his old stuffs and he does earn from it while helping others in the process. I am learning from him too. 3. Dont buy very expensive items- try donating some of your excess money. Believe in good karma. It will return to you a hundredfold. 4. Avoid credit and loans- loan only for things that matter- say a house and lot. 5. Encourage your co-employee to do their best. That is one way to ensure your company will prosper. Encourage each Filipino to be better- that is one way to improve our country. 6. Save, Save, Save!

[foolonthehill]

Didnt reead this one, as I wrote my reply above. Yes, I agree, we should know that Hyperwage is the best solution to improve our conditions. So let our workers share the wealth by giving them a bigger share on the business through the higher wage

Quote: Originally Posted by al1974 Still- the HYPERWAGE THEORY is the single most effective way to reduce poverty... Since we are way too far from it, the above posts are baby steps.

[foolonthehill]

In the Hyperwage Book, savings by employees is bad for the economy because that means some goods are not being sold bec of lower demand, therefore lower profits, lower employment, no purchasing power, not products sold, bec of lower demand. etc.

this is called the paradox of saving

Quote: Originally Posted by al1974 Here's little things to help improve or lessen poverty: 6. Save, Save, Save!

[foolonthehill]

The US has 300 million people all getting min. wages 10x that Pinoy, and the book Hyperwage has a solution to lower the pop growth (we will still be growing but the rate of growth will be slower)

Read the book on its brilliant solution to pop. control.

Quote: Originally Posted by ritsche villadolid minosan ang population,daghan ra kaayo ta

[foolonthehill]

Yes but God made us in his own image, that means, he gave us the freedom of will and choice. He did not build us houses but He gave us brains to build houses.

Similarly, He did not give us wealth, but He gave us the brains to come up with an economic theory that will make our lives richer and more convenient.

If you simply say "live with it" then you ARE NOT using the BRAINS that GOD gave us to solve our problems.

Quote: Originally Posted by istoryaaah Good and Evil exists in this world. Live with it.

[foolonthehill]

Why is your sister in the US?

Hyperwage?

There is your proof: Hyperwage (not low wages) is the key to economic prosperity. We have tried low wages for more than 100 years.

And you as an engineer, do you now realize that if 100 years have been given as an allowance period for a theory, then maybe that theory is wrong?

That is your proof: US is hyperwage.

Quote: Originally Posted by nol_bandol Ikaw Mismo o Kita mismo ang mo lihok yaw ug huna hunaa nga naa patay gobyerno nga kaduolan, mo lihok tang tanan aron mo asenso, i came from a poor family, my father and mother came from a family of farmers, wala sila ka human ug skwela, but bisan pa sa kalisod i never heard them blaming the government or kinsa nga government officials, they work to death, and im proud to say nga tanan 3 nla ka anak (including me) are all professionals nah, me an engineer, my sister registered nurse (now shes in UK), and our youngest a civil engineer. now if only all parents in the country is like mine (proud son) mo asenso jud ni nga nasud, bisan pa siguro walay presidente! To answer the question: "How to Stop or Solve Poverty in the Pilippines" My answer is: Do your Part "Ikaw Mismo"

[foolonthehill]

This one is easy. I read this in the book.

Suppose tomorrow, corruption is eradicated 100%, but the minimum wage is only P260 while the living wage is 700 per day (acdg to govt stats). will you be able to buy Cake baked by your neighbor?

Hunger will still be there, (let them eat cake). The solution is simple. Raise his salary.

And remember it is NON LInear.

Quote: Originally Posted by angelfyre unless mawala ang tanang corrupt sa goberno [which will take an act of God], di ni ma stop.

[foolonthehill]

That is also in the bOOK.

We are overeducated, We have a literacy of more than 95%.

What else do you need?

Quote: Originally Posted by gikapoy sa ako opinion ha murag dili man tingali education ang key factor sa singapore kai kasagaran dili baya degree holder. mura rapud sa pinas

[foolonthehill]

Have you read the Hyperwage Book's discussion on SAVINGS? saving is a paradox.

Quote: Originally Posted by dezheavensent strive hard and don't spend a lot on unnecessary things...

[aparach]

bisan pa makagradaute ang tanan.. kon walay trabaho nga masudlan pobre lang gihapon.. maka ingon nalang ta sa nanggradaute "Congratulation you are now unemployed.". kon basic needs lang gyud ato life.. dili man ta makaingon nga probre. as long as makakaon.. pero kanang kinaiya sa tao.. gusto mangandoy og daku.. mao na the more mangandoy nga walay buhaton.. the more mgkaprobe... dili naman gud makuntinto ang mga tao kon walay nindot na appliances..