Dmax or Hilux?

[JeffCee]

i like the Strada more,.,

[vipvip68]

Ok.. it's possible that the strada is less prone to rollover...its also possible nga pareha ra sila.

After all both vehicles have different DNA... ang Strada kay Rally/Sport unya ang Hilux kay Utility.

I would have liked to see a video of both the strada and the hilux taking the test without stability control para ma compare gyud ug tarong ang both vehicles.

I just wanted to point out that the strada used sa moose test video isn't equipped with the same safety features as the one available here.. so that video doesn't really indicate that the Philippine variant sa Strada would do better in a rollover situation. It also does not prove that the Strada can't pass the moose test without ASTC...so the Strada could be better in that respect after all. Point is... we can't say for sure.. the video is inconclusive.

My understanding of ASTC is that it prevents the vehicle from sliding laterally... like the car shown sa video I posted. A vehicle with a high center of gravity subjected to lateral forces is likely to roll over... doesn't matter what brand it is.

Quote: Originally Posted by TAMB0K i checked mitsubishi's e-brochure a pdf file you can download at Mitsubishi Motors Philippines Corporation about pajero's stability control it did not mention anything about preventing rollovers, it mentioned however that ASTC keeps vehicle moving on slippery surfaces and distributes power to four wheels to support acceleration on roughest roads. Stability Control it was more likely the design that prevented a roll-over sa strada that mitsubishi developed on their vehicles. experts na sila ani oe imagine 13 wins in dakar and besides if the purpose of the video was to compare safety features ila unta gitest puro strada or puro hilux pero dili man that test was made to compare the strada and hilux besides if you search youtube you can see a lot of hiluxes nga ni fail ani nga test.

[TAMB0K]

Quote: Originally Posted by vipvip68 Ok.. it's possible that the strada is less prone to rollover...its also possible nga pareha ra sila. After all both vehicles have different DNA... ang Strada kay Rally/Sport unya ang Hilux kay Utility. I would have liked to see a video of both the strada and the hilux taking the test without stability control para ma compare gyud ug tarong ang both vehicles.

we would probably have the same results because there are lot of videos on youtube where stradas or tritons in thailand going off roads and so with the Hilux but you'll see a lot of hiluxes suffering almost the same condition as the hilux on the video.

Quote: Originally Posted by vipvip68 I just wanted to point out that the strada used sa moose test video isn't equipped with the same safety features as the one available here.. so that video doesn't really indicate that the Philippine variant sa Strada would do better in a rollover situation. It also does not prove that the Strada can't pass the moose test without ASTC...so the Strada could be better in that respect after all. Point is... we can't say for sure.. the video is inconclusive.

for me they wouldn't test an equipped strada vs an unequipped hilux like you were implying and we aren't even conclusive about that, they'll most likely test an equipped and an unequipped stradas or hiluxes but since the video showed broth brands it was meant to compare the performance of each brand on how they handle maneuvers like what was shown.

Quote: Originally Posted by vipvip68 My understanding of ASTC is that it prevents the vehicle from sliding laterally... like the car shown sa video I posted. A vehicle with a high center of gravity subjected to lateral forces is likely to roll over... doesn't matter what brand it is.

ASTC has the same definition as what was shown in your video that cars that cannot run on ice without ASTC because ASTC on mitsubishi's definition "keeps vehicle moving on slippery surfaces and distributes power to four wheels to support acceleration on roughest roads."

in other words it applies brakes on wheels that are not touching the ground and adds power to the ones touching for more grip and acceleration.

yes SUV's and Trucks are likely to roll over just not the mitsubishi new ones hehehehe

i actually read in a forum, that starting 2001 mitsu developed a technology to prevent roll-overs, that was probably the technology they used on their new vehicles.

[predo]

Hilux Vs Dmax raman ta ni dri. Y man na apil ang strada. heheheh

[vipvip68]

Quote: we would probably have the same results because there are lot of videos on youtube where stradas or tritons in thailand going off roads and so with the Hilux but you'll see a lot of hiluxes suffering almost the same condition as the hilux on the video.

"Probably"... you can't say for sure. In other words dili gyud siya conclusive. Just because we see a lot of Hilux videos isn't an indication that the Strada without ASTC doesnt suffer the same problem. I'd have wanted to see more videos of the Strada though.

Quote: for me they wouldn't test an equipped strada vs an unequipped hilux like you were implying and we aren't even conclusive about that, they'll most likely test an equipped and an unequipped stradas or hiluxes but since the video showed broth brands it was meant to compare the performance of each brand on how they handle maneuvers like what was shown.

again its inconclusive... we are all guessing at best. Until we can get more data it's hard to make any conclusions on the matter.

Quote: ASTC has the same definition as what was shown in your video that cars that cannot run on ice without ASTC because ASTC on mitsubishi's definition "keeps vehicle moving on slippery surfaces and distributes power to four wheels to support acceleration on roughest roads." in other words it applies brakes on wheels that are not touching the ground and adds power to the ones touching for more grip and acceleration.

whatever the definition and however Mitsubishi chooses to define it in their brochure.. its the same technology... ESC, ASTC, VSA, VDC, ESP, Stabilitrack, DSC, VDC, CST, RSC, IVD, VSC... different names... the same concept.... it prevents the car from sliding out of control.

It's also pointless in the discussion comparing the Philippine variant of the Strada vs. The Hilux as both don't have that feature.. The only reason I brought Stability Control up was because according to various forums and comments on that video, they used the Strada with ASTC... whether this is true or not... we don't know also.

Quote: yes SUV's and Trucks are likely to roll over just not the mitsubishi new ones hehehehe

Any other basis for this aside from the video with the Strada on ASTC (allegedly) ?

Quote: i actually read in a forum, that starting 2001 mitsu developed a technology to prevent roll-overs, that was probably the technology they used on their new vehicles.

Probable... but it's not proof that the Philippine Strada has that feature.

These are a lot of assumptions we're making in judging these vehicles.. until concrete data is found... there's no honest to goodness way of knowing for sure... (unless someone in the Philippines is brave enough to do a moose test on their new Strada)

Maybe we can go to Mitsubishi and ask for a "Moose Test" drive. I'd love to see the expression of the Mitsubishi sales agent when we tell him what we plan to do with the car.

Simple ra man ni bro... prove that the Mitsubishi Strada/Triton used in that video wasn't using ASTC... if you can prove this... then daog na ka sa argument that the Strada is less prone to rollover.. I will then be convinced of the points you made.

Peace Bro.

[TAMB0K]

holy cow! i don't have to prove anything because i don't own the video. But i assure you the video used 2 (two) brands meaning they are comparing their performance (each brand mitsu & toyota with or without ASTC both) and not testing a safety feature on a single vehicle alone.

besides the video clearly showed how the hilux failed. Should the hilux surpass stradas capabilities it would have been on Dakar 2007 top 10 but sadly it didn't even make the top 50

PEACE!

If i were to chose between Hilux and Dmax i'd go with Isuzu for reliability but if the Strada was included hehehe its pretty obvious which would be my choice.

[vipvip68]

I'm sorry if I lost you but we are talking about the moose test... not the Dakar 2007 rally. That has nothing to do with the vehicle rolling over or not.

My contention is that the video compared a Hilux vs a Strada equipped with ASTC. Yes.. there were 2 brands... but are you really making a fair comparison of vehicle rollover when one has stability control and the other doesn't? (given that the Philippine variant doesnt have ASTC)

And I don't see how you can equate the Strada passing the moose test to performing well in Dakar.

It was a Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution that won that rally and the Hilux wan't even in the Rally and you want to know why? The Hilux isn't a Sport Truck... it's a Utility Vehicle ... They have different pedigree... different DNA...

It's difficult sad to compare the Hilux to Strada...

For me, Hilux vs. Dmax would probably be a more relevant comparison sa Utility segment

The Strada would be in a different category along with other sport pickups.

Peace on Earth

Quote: Originally Posted by TAMB0K holy cow! i don't have to prove anything because i don't own the video. But i assure you the video used 2 (two) brands meaning they are comparing their performance (each brand mitsu & toyota with or without ASTC both) and not testing a safety feature on a single vehicle alone. besides the video clearly showed how the hilux failed. Should the hilux surpass stradas capabilities it would have been on Dakar 2007 top 10 but sadly it didn't even make the top 50 PEACE! If i were to chose between Hilux and Dmax i'd go with Isuzu for reliability but if the Strada was included hehehe its pretty obvious which would be my choice.

[TAMB0K]

the triton made it to to top 20. by the way since we'd chose between utility vehicles as you implied id chose isuzu for reliability however if the strada was included the strada would be my choice.

[nortz]

isuzu dmax...

[kenny_tiu7]

whew dugay ko wa ka online daghana na post oi. anyways peace lng mo mga bros. about sa inyo mga queries:

here are the traction control systems for the Mitsu cars you mentioned:

Pajero 3.2 D-iD and 3.8 V6 (2007-present BK and 2003-2006 CK series) M-ASTC Mitsubishi Active Stability Traction Control System
Mitsubishi Active Stability and Traction Control is a state-of-the-art safety system. It regulates braking force to each wheel during cornering to ensure excellent stability. The system also maintains optimum traction in all conditions, on and off-road. M-ASTC prevents tyre spin on slippery surfaces and minimises the risk of drift caused by over-accelerating in corners.
source: Mitsubishi-Motors/M-ASTC
Stability Control

All New Montero Sport 3.2 GLS SE and 2007.
present Strada 3.2 GLS Sport M/T and A/T - Hybrid Limited Slip Differential (LSD)
click here to know more about it: Limited slip differential - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IMO, the Hybrid LSD may like the usual LSD found in other cars also. But it could be as capable as the Forutner's Torsen LSD:
Peer Landa -- Roadster Torsen LSD

hope this helps.

anyways it all boils down to unsa mas ganahan sa buyer naay pros and cons sa tanan competitor. so depende ra sa buyer asa xa malipay and asa iya mas ganahan

Drive @ Earth Inspired

[kenny_tiu7]

Quote: Originally Posted by vipvip68 Point of my post was the add on feature of vehicle stability control for the strada which prevented the rollover during the moose test. Hence the video on how these safety features work. It's also unfair to single out one car for that rollover risk since this is common for most SUV's, Light Trucks and Vans. Without VSC, we don't really know if the result for the Strada would have been thesame. Can anyone verify if the strada here has VSC? If wala then equal ra ang risk of rollover as any other pickup. @bostonfan... wala man koy gi tirahan nga tao. I am merely addressing comments of people who say things like... generic ang stereo ... unsaon nga masuko man when I tell them dili... dapat imbis sige ug reklamo.. maminaw sad unta sa explanation. My posts aren't intended as personal attacks... they're merely logical counterpoints to your comments based on data available. Sorry if my points run contrary to yours. Why don't we stick to the issue at hand instead of arguing on unrelated points. And for the record... wala koy labot sa Toyota... dili tika customer... I am just another poster making points that counter yours... so give me data which proves your point so you can convince me... making off handed remarks is just simply OT. Walang personalan... just prove your points. You also keep on saying nga... gi kapuy na ka.. usually that's the remark of someone that has run out of valid arguments.

yup naa sir ang 3.2 m/t a/t strada naa.

[kikoy203]

nindot gyud tan-awon porma sa Hilux kay elegante kaayo nindot pa gyud ug barog. Masbarato lang ang Dmax, so value for my money Dmax ko... But if ginapiko ginapala ako kwarta, no doubt Hilux jud.

[dymaniac]

Isuzu D-Max ko. Amo pickup nga fuego na dugay na kaayo, nindot kaayo gihapon ang performance. Basta diesel gani. Isuzu gyud has the best diesel engine.

[vipvip68]

Thanks for the input kenny_tiu7.

I was under the impression nga wala because the brochure sa Philippine version sa Strada doesn't mention that feature.

May I know where you got the info?

Thanks.

Quote: Originally Posted by kenny_tiu7 yup naa sir ang 3.2 m/t a/t strada naa.

[TAMB0K]

Basi ang old brochure na, since bag-o rman ning 3.2L variant sa strada

Anyway between hilux & dmax, dmax ghapon ko hehehe